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In Bee Line Buzz Company, Bus deregulation, Buses, Greater Manchester, Manchester, North West, Operators, Transport, Travel on May 8, 2009 at 10:32 am

Remembering the Bee Line Buzz Company

Readers of a certain age living in Greater Manchester may remember the early days of bus deregulation for clapped out double deckers, competition and ticket validity issues. There was one company which was an exception to this.

The 26th of January 1987 saw the launch of the Bee Line Buzz Company. Eschewing double deckers, its remit was to deliver high frequency bus services using minibuses. Instead of having a service with a half hourly frequency using double decker buses, the same route would be served with 20 seater minibuses operating every 7/8 minutes. Unlike conventional bus services, they could be hailed anywhere on the route like a black/yellow taxi cab (apart from some sections where conventional bus stops were used).

The idea of replacing conventional bus operations with frequent minibuses was not without precedent. Harry Blundred dabbled with this before deregulation in Exeter within the National Bus Company. This was later copied in the Hereford and Worcester city centre areas.

Up to its launch, the streets of Greater Manchester saw the PTE owned GM Buses competing against a wave of independent operators. Some were long established companies like A. Mayne and Son and Finglands. Others were more recently formed companies like Citibus and Stuarts. The launch of the Bee Line Buzz Company however did more to ruffle the feathers at GMPTE on Portland Street.

Unlike the older independents, the Bee Line Buzz Company was part of a national company, United Transport, who also had transport interests in South Africa. Its frequent services and modern fleet prompted GM Buses to launch its Little Gem services. This name superseded locally branded minibuses such as Ashton Minilyne for minibus services from Tameside depot.

Personal recollections:
I had my first experience of Bee Line Buzz Company’s services in February 1987, within its first week of operation. Mine was with 18 others as part of a school trip to Hatchett’s Wood in Wythenshawe. We caught the number 5 route from there to Palatine Road, West Didsbury for my then school at the time, which was Ewing School.

Also in the same year, I could recall boarding the number 14 route from Hyde Park to The Forester pub in Dukinfield. It was Guy Fawkes’ Night and along with my Dad, I went to a Tameside MBC organised display on the spare ground opposite Hyde Park. It seemed amazing to me seeing a computerised ticket machine, compared with the Almex ones used on GM Buses. The journey experience to me was almost like boarding a taxi given its intimate atmosphere compared with the usual double decker on the 343 route.

The routes:
As a proud owner of a Bee Line Buzz Company timetable with maps, the routes (as noted on the 14th of September 1987) were:

  • 1: Altrincham – Wythenshawe – Stockport;
  • 2: Altrincham – Manchester;
  • 3: Manchester Airport – Stockport;
  • 4: Altrincham – Sale – Wythenshawe;
  • 5: Wythenshawe – Manchester;
  • 6: Heald Green – Manchester;
  • 7: Ashton-under-Lyne – Droylsden – Reddish – Stockport;
  • 8: Stockport – Marple;
  • 9: Stretford – Stockport;
  • 11: Stockport – Reddish – Gorton – Manchester;
  • 12: Manchester – Urmston;
  • 14: Ashton-under-Lyne – Stalybridge – Dukinfield – Hyde – Stockport;
  • 15: Stockport – Davenport – Hazel Grove;
  • 16: Stockport – Bramhall – Hazel Grove;
  • 20: Flixton – Stretford – Stockport.

Only two of the routes remain in more or less of the same form as their 1987 route. These are the number 7 and the number 1 routes. The latter was renumbered 11, whereas the former’s route is virtually unchanged apart from the fact it also serves the retail park and multiplex cinema at Ashton Moss. Both are operated by Stagecoach Manchester and run to frequent intervals.

At this time of writing, the 7 has a 20 minute frequency operated with single decker buses, though no service after 2030 hours, Sundays and Bank Holidays. This is operated from Stagecoach Manchester’s new depot at Ashton-under-Lyne, just off Clarence Street. Marshall bodied Dennis Darts and Optare Solos are frequently used, with the former vehicles inherited from the acquisition of A. Mayne and Son’s bus operations in January 2008.

The 11 has a 10 minute frequency, also operated with single decker buses, though no service after 2030 hours, and on Sundays and Bank Holidays. This at present is operated from Daw Bank depot in Stockport. With the possibility of Charles Street depot closing this summer, could the 11 transfer to Stagecoach Manchester’s proposed new depot in Northenden?

What happened next?
Sadly, the party was over for the Bee Line Buzz Company’s bold aims by the end of the 1980s. Firstly, the company was acquired by Ribble Motor Services at the end of 1987. Stagecoach Holdings took over Ribble in March 1989 and sold the Bee Line operation to Drawlane. By 1989, its minibuses disappeared from the streets of Greater Manchester, replaced by worn out double deckers from privatised NBC owned companies such as London Country.

Drawlane later became known as British Bus. In 1993 – 1994, they tried to bid for GM Buses North, but were beaten by an employee and management buyout. By 1996, British Bus were sold to Cowie Holdings, before becoming Arriva two years later. In 1998, Bee Line was no more. Along with its stablemate North Western (not to be confused with the North Western of NWRCC fame), they became part of Arriva North West. Its operations were ran from Merseyside. Manchester area operations were known as Arriva Manchester.

Today, Arriva Manchester has two depots. One of them is the Manchester depot just off Fairfield Street, inherited from the original North Western, formerly owned by Tilling and BET. Its second depot is in Wythenshawe.

Though not part of Arriva Manchester (in this case Arriva North West), the former Blue Bus depot is Arriva’s third depot in Greater Manchester. This being the result of its acquisition of Horwich independent Blue Bus on the 31st July 2005.

Recommended reading and source materials:
‘Greater Manchester Buses’, Stewart J. Brown (Capital Transport, 1995);
Bee Line Buzz Company timetables (1987);
GMPTE Bus Times: 7 and 11 bus routes (2009);
7: Ashton – Reddish – Stockport (Stagecoach Manchester);
11: Altrincham – Wythenshawe – Stockport (Stagecoach Manchester).

Before I go…
I would be most grateful if anyone could fill me in with extra information on the 1987 Bee Line Buzz Company routes (in a sort of ‘Where Are They Now?’ type of thing). A special mention also to Martin Bryant of the Manchester Buses blog, who commented a few months back asking me about the Bee Line routes. I hope this article fits the bill in some way.

S.V., 08 May 2009.

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  1. Wasnt there an 82 Rushcroft-Oldham-Manchester-Chorlton yes odd combination but was a great ride when i was a kid.

  2. Hi Simon,

    There was an 82 on the Bee Line, sometime around 1990 – 1994. I would assume it was also withdrawn around the time GM Buses was split and that Bee Line took on the Manchester to Rushcroft section, then renumbered 59. I remember catching a Bee Line bus on the 409 route in 1991, using an ex-NBC Leyland Atlantean/Fleetline.

    Do you also remember the 149 when it was operated by Bee Line?

    Bye for now,

    Stuart.

  3. Thanks Stuart! I’ll link to this from Manchester Buses later today as this a brilliant article.

    Regarding the 82, wouldn’t it have gone up Oldham Road to Oldham? The 59 has been running via the same route as it does now (with the exception of its recent rerouting via Strangeways) since at least the late 60s (I have a 1968 timetable) so it would make sense for Beeline to follow the long-established 82 route between Manchester and Oldham before running off to Rushcroft from there. Also, I’d love to know what route the service took between Chorlton and Manchester.

  4. No the Bee line 82 was an attempt at the 59 from Rushcroft to Oldham – Then down oldham road like the 82 from Oldham to Chorlton. Then onto Chorlton, I cannot remember which way it went though i wasn’t well up on south manchester then. I remember they were all clapped out double deckers with manual ticket machines not even the electronic ones they had in the minibuses. Brought in just to make a few quid. the driving standards left lots to be desired. you would think the drivers were on commision lol.

  5. Hope this is of assistance. Bee Line Buzz timetables from my own collection

    1 Altrincham – Manchester 26 Jan 1987
    1 Middleton – Offerton 01 Aug 1988
    2 Middleton – Hazel Grove 05 Jun 1989
    2 Altrincham – Timperley Circ 09 Feb 1987
    2 Altrincham – Manchester 14 Sep 1987
    3 Stockport – Manchester Airport 30 Mar 1987
    3 Stockport – Altrincham 05 Jun 1989
    4 Altrincham – Wythenshawe 09 Feb 1987
    5 Manchester – Northenden 23 Feb 1987
    5 Manchester – Wythenshawe Depot 14 Sep 1987
    5 Manchester – Wythenshawe Hospital 05 Jun 1989
    6 Northenden – Wythenshawe Circular 23 Feb 1987
    6 Manchester – Heald Green 14 Sep 1987
    7 Stockport – Gorton 13 Apr 1987
    7 Stockport – Droylsden 08 Jun 1987
    7 Stockport – Ashton Under Lyne 14 Sep 1987
    7 Stockport – Hartshead Estate 05 Jun 1989
    7A Stockport – Stalybridge 26 Feb 1990
    8 Stockport – Hawk Green 05 May 1987
    9 Stockport – Stretford 14 Sep 1987
    9 Timperley – Hale Barns Circular 29 Feb 1988
    10 Manchester – Stockport 13 Apr 1987
    10 Brookhouse – Hulme Hall Road) 05 Jun 1989
    11 Manchester – Stockport 13 Apr 1987
    12 Manchester – Flixton 14 Sep 1987
    12 Manchester – Davyhulme 17 Feb 1988
    13 Stockport – Ashton Under Lyne 01 Feb 1988
    13 Stockport – Brinnington 26 sep 1988
    14 Stockport – Ashton Under Lyne 14 Sep 1987
    15 Manchester – Manchester Airport 05 Jun 1989
    15 Stockport – Hazel Grove 17 Aug 1987
    15 Stockport – Bosden Farm 16 Nov 1987
    16 Stockport – Hazel Grove 17 Aug 1987
    20 Stockport – Urmston 08 Jun 1987
    20 Stockport – Davyhulme
    20 Stockport – Flixton 14 Sep 1987
    21 Stockport – Urmston 08 Jun 1987
    22 Manchester – Swinton 19 Apr 1988
    23 Stockport – Middleton 12 Apr 1988
    24 Manchester – Bosden Farm 12 Apr 1988
    82 Chorlton – Rushcroft 25 Nov 1989
    85 Manchester – Stockport 11 Dec 1989
    87 Manchester – Stockport 11 Dec 1989
    147 Manchester – Oldham 11 Dec 1989
    154 Ashton Under Lyne – Ridge Hill Circ 11 Dec 1989
    156 Manchester – Stockport 14 Feb 1991
    158 Manchester – Stockport 02 Apr 1990
    193 Offerton – Langley 05 Mar 1990
    219 Manchester – Stalybridge 11 Dec 1989
    227 Manchester – Romiley 26 Feb 1990
    228 Manchester – Romiley 26 Feb 1990
    460 Bury – Littleborough 23 Jul 1990

  6. My, Grahame, that is one Hell of a list! I would also be most interested in what happened to these routes later. I would assume that the 154 was later renumbered 387 before being withdrawn in 1998. The Hartshead Estate section of the 7 was absorbed by the 218 and now forms part of the daytime version of the 408 route.

    Stuart.

  7. suppose a scanned pdf of them all is out of the question lol. they did another from bury to edenfield too, or it might have been manchester to edenfield. there are a few lads at work how used to work there will ask when i am in next.

  8. Arriva’s Fairfield Street depot is new to Arriva, not the old NWRCC site, which was at Hulme Hall Road, Cornbrook, and was used by Ribble after de-reg, and later Bee Line while they were under Ribble ownership. It did not pass to Drawlane. (In fact, with the recent closures of Glossop and Charles Street, there are now no former NWRCC depots left in use for bus operations).

    The Bee Line 82 caused me some grief. It was actually started by Ribble as the M82, but after Drawlane took over both the Bee Line and Ribble Manchester operations the new Bee Line management renumbered it 82, the same as GM Buses Manchester – Waterhead service. This caused much bother in Oldham Town Centre, when people wanting to go to Shaw stood at the Waterhead 82 stop and the Bee Line 82 passed them by, and vice versa. After many complaints I had the Bee Line service renumbered on the GMPTE database (and therefore on the stops) as 82B. Bee Line complained that this wasn’t what was shown on the buses. I told them to $£&@ off. It eventually got knocked on the head after Arriva took over and decided to consolidate their operations into the Altrincham/Wythenshawe area, where, by an amazing coincidence, Stagecoach had at the same time withdrawn a number of services.

  9. And this is why i love this industry. Great comment.